harvest_moon: A word from one of your mods:

Randell (

randwise_gamgee) wrote in

harvest_moon,
@ 2004-07-20 14:52:00

Current mood:

annoyed

A word from one of your mods:
If you plan on posting large bodies of text, please use an LJ-cut. Especially if this information can be easily found on a site like Gamefaqs. (Unless someone has made a request for such information.)

Yesterday a user was asked to edit his post, he did not. I myself tried to edit the post, but lj would not comply. So I was forced to delete it. I invite that user to post again, given they can use the cut this time.

Thanks for your time,
Randwise

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	hooded1 2004-07-20 12:55 (link)
	Yeah, a lot of long posts coming from here. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	randwise_gamgee 2004-07-20 12:58 (link)
	I've emailed our community owner, and asked for her permission to put an LJ-Cut request in the user info. Maybe that would help a bit. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 18:43 (link)
	Um, perhaps he didn't use it because he had no idea what he was doing? Oh, hell, I have been on LJ for half a year, and I still can't use the LJ cut. He's new, so he'll have no idea either. He doesn't know how to even edit it. I have to teach him still, so I'm sorry I am a slow teacher. BOGWarrior (Reply to this)(Thread)

randwise_gamgee
2004-07-20 18:58 (link)

The first reply to that post was instructions on how to properly execute a cut. It wasn't my intention to delete said post, but since lj wouldn't allow me to edit I choose that action.

Which is why this post was made, to make a point that his posting again would be welcome. Provided he executed the cut. I'm not trying to be rude, or some kind of elitist. I'm just trying to fix a common problem many of us have with our friends lists, and long community posts.

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	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:01 (link)
	I know, but PLEASE, DON"T BE SO FORMAL! It suggests bigotry and elitism. You're a human being, so talk like a human being. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	ninglor 2004-07-20 19:10 (link)
	It might help if you set an example and punctuated like a human being. Just saying. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:11 (link)
	Who, me? Or goldenlink? (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	ninglor 2004-07-20 19:14 (link)
	Last time I checked, " was not an acceptable substitute for '. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:17 (link)
	Ah, I see, typing fast enforces a problem with keyboard, and such mistakes can be made. Again, apologizing for being an imperfect creature. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	ninglor 2004-07-20 19:21 (link)
	Son, I'm afraid I must also bring you up on charges of misusing the word 'enforces.' Right intent, wrong context. You would have been better to go with 'encourages' or 'produces.' (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:25 (link)
	Thank you, oh old and wise one, of course, just assuming by the way you referred to me as "son." Perhaps probably used to make me angry, but I really don't care. (Reply to this)(Parent)

randwise_gamgee
2004-07-20 19:12 (link)

Main Entry: big�ot�ry
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&-trE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
Date: circa 1674
1 : the state of mind of a bigot
2 : acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot

Main Entry: big�ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1661
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
- big�ot�ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big�ot�ed�ly adverb

I think you'll find being a bigot is very different from having intelligence.

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	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:14 (link)
	Yes, but to use it as if you are better than everyone else suggests bigotism, or more accurately, arrogance. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	ninglor 2004-07-20 19:15 (link)
	Wow, last time I checked, there was also no such thing as 'bigotism.' (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:20 (link)
	Um, then I suggest going to Google and typing it in. Maybe you'll find something. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:21 (link)
	bigotism: The art of being a bigot. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	ninglor 2004-07-20 19:22 (link)
	You have to admit it was pretty easy to assume that you meant 'bigotry.' Again, just observation. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	randwise_gamgee 2004-07-20 19:38 (link)
	Oh really? (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:40 (link)
	Um, try Google. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:41 (link)
	So, um, we done? (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

randwise_gamgee
2004-07-20 19:58 (link)

I don't know about you. But I am. This is a community for Harvest_Moon discussion. Not an ill fated attempt for you to vent whatever ailment you are suffering from.

Obviously you have a problem, and you seem to think it's funny to pick fights where none are necessary. I have reported you to the owner of this community. It is up to her whether you are to be ejected or not. But you will get no further response from me. I have better things to do than fight a battle of wits with someone so horribly equipped.

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cimorene111
2004-07-20 19:43 (link)

so what you intended to say was that using precisely correct language and punctuation suggests to one's audience the art of being a bigot, not the being itself?

the reason no one has tackled your apparent assumption that formal language=deliberately trying to humble other people by showing off is that it's so mind-bogglingly dumb, not that they followed your "train" of "thought."

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	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:45 (link)
	Ah, yes, another reinforcement. Hey, everyone! BOGWarrior did something that Society would never allow! I know! Let's all yell at him! Hmm, I think I have seen this at school...Everyone is so funny. (Reply to this)(Parent)

randwise_gamgee
2004-07-20 19:24 (link)

I'm sorry. Do you know me?

Do you know the patterns of speech throughout our many races, cultures, and sub-groups?

Point is, you *don't* know me. So you can't justly say that the way I happen to respond to a comment denotes arrogance, bigotry, or elitism. However, I could ask you the same question. Since you seem to know the "proper" way I should speak. If you don't like what I have to say, I suggest you go elsewhere. Plenty of place on the net where improper grammar is accepted and encouraged.

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	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:28 (link)
	I know that it is the said proper way to speak, and I was not asking for the angry outburst. I just said that it SUGGESTS the things I have said before. I never ONCE CALLED you a bigot, arrogant,or an elitist. I just stated it SUGGESTS these things, and I am trying to help. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	randwise_gamgee 2004-07-20 19:31 (link)
	Oh honey, this isn't anger. Obviously you want to argue, I'm merely offering you an outlet. I think your problem is that you assume too much. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:39 (link)
	Yes, I do assume too much. Yes, of course I want to argue, it's obvious that I have no outlet for intelligent conversation/arguements, and it is all bottled up inside. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	cimorene111 2004-07-20 19:45 (link)
	it would be more accurate to say that you obviously are ill-equipped to engage in intelligent conversation or arguments. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

bogwarrior
2004-07-20 19:49 (link)

ha ha ha... you're exactly what I mean. Here, Let Randwise Gamgee's words fill you in.

"I'm sorry. Do you know me?

Do you know the patterns of speech throughout our many races, cultures, and sub-groups?

Point is, you *don't* know me. So you can't justly say that the way I happen to respond to a comment denotes arrogance, bigotry, or elitism. However, I could ask you the same question. Since you seem to know the "proper" way I should speak. If you don't like what I have to say, I suggest you go elsewhere. Plenty of place on the net where improper grammar is accepted and encouraged."

Point: YOU don't know me, so therefor you don't know enough to guess anything about me. Again, I am suggesting arrogance.

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cimorene111
2004-07-20 19:58 (link)

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so let me get this straight:

it was not your intent to imply that correct usage is inherently mean, condescending, or in any way undesirable, only that other people might think it was. to prevent these hypothetical others' hypothetically being offended, you advocate dumbing one's own language down.

if that's truly your argument, i'm curious: how would you determine how to talk in advance? what word is too long? what sentence is too complex? how dumb do you have to sound to avoid offending people who might not be accustomed to talking that way themselves? do we extend the concept, and adopt the regional accents of the places we visit? do we speak Southern to Southerners and Boston to Bostonites and Black American English to blacks--will that please them?

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	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:29 (link)
	and yes, I agree with the point. Grammar is based on a buch of old people who had nothing else to do and one day decided that this was the way to talk, and everyone else better follow those people because they didn't have minds of their owns. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	randwise_gamgee 2004-07-20 19:33 (link)
	Yes dear, that's exactly what happened. Because the world would be such a grand place if everyone made their own rules of grammar, punctuation, and spelling. Forgive me, obviously I lack the intelligence to think on your level. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	bogwarrior 2004-07-20 19:36 (link)
	No you don't, that's the point! Society has a unique system of working. Someone comes up with something, and everyone else follows him because they'll be killed, or have their reputation damaged or destroyed, or something worse! (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

cimorene111
2004-07-20 19:48 (link)

society might (debatably) work that way, honey, but language, like pop-culture, is a living organism, a movement, and it's formed and dictated by use. grammars were not invented, but described by early grammarians. the "rules" of correct usage change gradually over time, as does the vocabulary. i suggest any introductory linguistics text, or, alternatively, the "history of language" chapter in any 10th-grade level english textbook.

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bogwarrior
2004-07-20 19:34 (link)

Races?!? What Races?!? Hello, we are all humans, all alike yet different, and we let a little bit of genetic coding get in the way of acceptance! We have idiots out there that think that they are better than someone they have never met just because of genetic coding!

The Holocaust could have been avoided had Hitler never been a bigot! If people would just give up their old and outdated beliefs about one another, that probably wouldn't have happened!

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	goldenlink 2004-07-20 18:59 (link)
	sorry i did not mean to do that. i will use an lj. later goldenlink (Reply to this)(Thread)

	randwise_gamgee 2004-07-20 19:03 (link)
	No problem. ^_^ And thank you. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	goldenlink 2004-07-20 19:06 (link)
	ok thank i need to know how to do the lj thing. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	randwise_gamgee 2004-07-20 19:08 (link)
	Everything you need, is right here. (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	goldenlink 2004-07-20 19:10 (link)
	ok thanks (Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)

	randwise_gamgee 2004-07-20 19:13 (link)
	Very Welcome. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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